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My boy nano getting a drive by. He always there for me when I need to quickly edit a conf file

Delete nano already.

Let's make micro the standard!!

Nah, ed

ed is, in fact, in the POSIX standard.

https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/

Shell & Utilities -> Utilities -> ed

In fact, it looks like ex and sed, both child editors of ed, are baked into the standard. No pico-family editors.

Why should micro be the standard over nano?

Because nano has unacceptable key combos, and no support for mouse. micro has sensible key combos, good syntax highlighting and supports mouse perfectly fine.

Nano's key combos are acceptable. Source: I accept them.

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make the standard code-insiders but in vim mode

Ed is the standard and only option.

EDITOR=shred too if you’re brave or having a rough day.

Remember to put

#!/bin/rm

at the top of every file, to teach people not to execute files they shouldn't.

Please use "/usr/bin/env [command]". Otherwise, it will not work on NixOS

rm doesn't work on NixOS?

Then how do you do rm -rf / --no-preserve-root?

Not really cool to post commands like that without consideration for privileges for newcomers, make sure to use sudo first. /s

NixOS has rm. But it's not under /bin. There is no /bin in NixOS. The user's programs are inside /run/current-system/sw/bin, and those are symlinks from files hidden in /nix/store.

Running rm -rf / --no-preserve-root under NixOS, will not nuke the entire system, since /nix/store is mounted as read-only, and only remounted as rw when new applications are downloaded, or older unused ones are wiped.

Does that mean it works if you happen to run it while a download is ongoing?

Ed is kinda-sorta great-granddaddy vim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(software)

ed (pronounced as distinct letters, /ˌiːˈdiː/)[1] is a line editor for Unix and Unix-like operating systems. It was one of the first parts of the Unix operating system that was developed, in August 1969.

Dennis M. Ritchie produced what Doug McIlroy later described as the "definitive" ed,[5] and aspects of ed went on to influence ex, which in turn spawned vi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi_(text_editor)

Vim ("Vi IMproved") has many additional features compared to vi, including (scriptable) syntax highlighting, mouse support, graphical versions, visual mode, many new editing commands and a large amount of extension in the area of ex commands.

I've never used qed, but it sounds like that might be considered even one step back:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(software)

Many features of ed came from the qed text editor developed at Thompson's alma mater University of California, Berkeley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QED_(text_editor)

Initial release: 1967

I guess TECO --- which I also have not used --- would kinda-sorta be the emacs analog:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TECO_(text_editor)

TECO (/ˈtiːkoʊ/[1]), short for Text Editor & Corrector, [2] [3][4] is both a character-oriented text editor and a programming language,[5][6] that was developed in 1962 for use on Digital Equipment Corporation computers, and has since become available on PCs and Unix. Dan Murphy developed TECO while a student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

It was subsequently modified by many other people[7] and is a direct ancestor of Emacs, which was originally implemented in TECO macros.

EDIT: Actually...hmm. Now that I think of it, I might have briefly used TECO on a DEC VAX/VMS cluster. IIRC, I mostly used EVE, though.

EDIT2: Hmm. Apparently someone has ported TECO to Linux:

https://www.almy.us/teco.html

TECO, that grand old text editor your father used when he was young, is still available! It is powerful and compact precursor to EMACS and has a completely nongraphical user interface. This is based on Pete Siemsen's TECOC implementation, and comes with a copy of the original DECUS TECO documentation.

Do I need a paper tape punch and reader to use TECO?

No. Modern TECOs will also edit text files.

Is TECO fast?

Yes, it's probably the fastest editor available

While I'm maintaining the files as I had worked on them and downloads here, Blake McBride has taken the source code, added the video/scope mode, fixed bugs and improved the speed (not that it is slow!), documented the changes and has it available in GitHub. Go here for his work https://github.com/blakemcbride/TECOC

tries building it

Hah. It takes under a third of a second to compile on my system:

$ git clone https://github.com/blakemcbride/TECOC.git
$ cd TECOC/src
$ time make -j32 -f makefile.linux >/dev/null 2>&1

real    0m0.296s
user    0m2.341s
sys     0m0.874s
$

Hmm. Yeah, I don't remember how to use this at all, if I did use it. Looks like the command syntax is a little like ed's, but you whack Escape twice to execute commands. Each press of Escape displays a dollar sign.

Intro guide © 1972: https://ia902906.us.archive.org/25/items/bitsavers_decpdp10TOandbook04tecoIntro_1457616/04_tecoIntro_text.pdf

$ ./tecoc
*Ihello, world!$$
*EWtest.txt$$
*EX$$
$ cat test.txt; echo
hello, world!
$

Clearly does work, though.

Vim is bloatware atop Ed making it insanely memory hungry and nearly unusable.

(Send from an IBM PC with 256k memory running LFS)

LFS is unlikely to run on such a machine. BSD or Xenix are appropriate operating systems.

TECO is clearly the correct choice

This "neutrality" is like giving equal voice to doctors and tobacco companies. They need to take the initiative for public health and declare the correct, ergonomic editor as international standard.

Which US clearly...

The pen

The pen

Is that a neovim plugin?

Yes, but only if it's the editor I use /s

Of course. Why would you use the wrong editor?

It's like giving equal voice to NASA, and to Barry who thinks the sky is a carpet painted by a god.

"This whole International Space Station idea is patently ridiculous, what're they gonna do, hang it from the carpet?"

(with apologies to Dara O Briain)

Obviously Emacs with Evil mode... or Vim with Vimacs?

Vim with Vimacs?

Ah yes, the worst of both worlds.

Awesome. And now...

  • Step 2: Tabs or spaces.

a tab is four spaces... press tab all you want...

Vertical or horizontal tabs?

Slazer here opening a new front in the tabs v space war

4 spaces by default for indentation unless .editorconfig says otherwise.

I use helix, BTW. It's like vim (but backwards) and it's written in rust.

main selling point being that it's purple

It's like neovim if you had amnesia and forgot all the time spent installing plugins and getting your configs just right.

Defaulting to nano without explicit user consent will be considered a class c user experience violation

One step forward, two steps back. I always hate how politicians can be so accommodating of the popular minority while still being so discriminatory against the less popular ones.

Vim has long since won the war. I say that as an emacs user who is familiar with using vim because it's installed by default on the vast majority of computers I interact with nowadays

All offices within the EU administration will be supplied with the officially modified flavors of eumacs and neuvim.

I was laughing out loud until I read the part on VS Code or Google Docs to "avoid ideological tensions".

Clearly Herve Beraud is a closed source advocate, total rage bait! /s

Defaulting to nano without consent

This is the real crime

Okay. Proceed to set up 'ed' as default

nano for lyfe! what's the fine for a "class c user experience violation"?

Banishment to Windows.

That's torture and a human rights violation!

eww, ok, I'll switch to vim

You can still use nano. Just don't make it the default for your distro or you'll lose your Linux license.

ok, officer. thank you, officer. Am I free to go?

steals your escape key
Now, try to exit vim.

Isnt that the woman who bent down to Trump to fuck over Europe?

Depends on how you look at it. The deal she made is never going to get ratified by the EU member states, but placated Trump enough to lower his stupid tariffs to acceptable levels. I think she 100% knew the deal she agreed with him was never going in effect and she just wanted to buy time, which so far has worked.

It makes a lot of sense to buy time for a variety of reasons. She took a hit to her image with this "deal" but she effectively accomplished all the goals she had going into those discussions. But from afar it looks like she was played.

Yeah maybe that is how it went down. I like your version of events and would like to believe that is what happened actually.

Why does nano always get such hate. Surely as a quick simple text editor it does the job?

so does vim, and better most of time

I liked it a lot until it started asking me for money every time I saved a file.

Now I use the built in text editor.

What

After the first 50 or so times you save a file in the Nano text editor, it will start giving you a popup asking to buy the full version.

This is extremely annoying every single time you save a file in Nano after it starts activating

This sounds like a prank to me, I've been using nano for all of my Linux life (10+y) and I've never seen this, are we talking about the same nano ?
https://nano-editor.org/ ?

Fuck i was thinking of Sublime

I don't think I've used nano, looks like Vim

Nano actually shows you the shortcuts all of the time

European Commision's laptops run on Windows 11 and then they need to pay for AWS to do any kind of meanigful work... And then some devs still pick Windows to run on AWS anyway!

How do they count Neovim?
Also, Emacs absolutely can emulate vim, making it unnecessary

ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR

You don't need ed, emacs can emulate it.

Time to burn Europe. This injustice will not stand.

@slazer2au

Freedom of religion is a fundamental human right. Evangelization should not be punished. I protest (:

just run a logon script to alias both vim and emacs and nano for all your users.

No Vim! Vi only! Yes I know if you type "vi filename.txt" you get Vim. That's not the point. Vi is nearly 50 years old. Have some respect.

I think the distinction is trivial. Or trivimial?

to summarize the conclusions thus far, as is my secretary duty

amendments to the protocol of this EU directive are as follows in the first line of stallings amendments:

TECO is to be legacy alternative to EMACS and all personell are to be provided paid leave for educational purposes.

ED is to be legacy alternative to VIM and all personell are to be provided paid leave for educational purposes.

up for further discussion: are ideologically united editors such as VILE (VI Like Emacs) middleground or offensive to both parties? is it right of marginalized editors to invoke a non-monopolyculture clause: "will SAM or VIS be up for consideration?" asks [name redacted under GDPR]

I'm glad a peace was found, but go vim!

I default to vim because I want an editor that just works and doesn’t need a lot of customization. I have nothing against emacs or nano.

No mention of ms edit? I feel this won't last.